Comments on: The (in)adequacies of markup http://chnm2010.thatcamp.org/05/21/the-inadequacies-of-markup/ The Humanities and Technology Camp Tue, 08 Mar 2011 21:52:08 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.12 By: bowerbird http://chnm2010.thatcamp.org/05/21/the-inadequacies-of-markup/#comment-286 Sat, 22 May 2010 08:06:01 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=544#comment-286 there’s another choice — zen markup.

it’s light markup that is so “light” that
it’s nearly invisible.

it converts out to .html and .pdf, but
its simple structure also means that
viewer-apps and authoring-tools can
be programmed for it quite easily…

-bowerbird

]]> By: LucidWanderer http://chnm2010.thatcamp.org/05/21/the-inadequacies-of-markup/#comment-285 Sat, 22 May 2010 03:50:08 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=544#comment-285 I’m actually in favor of the standoff markup system for the reason that as long as the text itself is versioned and stable, then having markup actually necesitates copying the source to layer in multiple different markups. The initial purpose of markups is to create a very specific kind of typographical data — the way the original was typeset, any page breaks.

I think the standoff markup approach has the following advantages:

1. It can be generalized to media which cannot be edited with xml. You can add a timecode and thus attach metadata to a video. You can attach a logical code and somehow cite/analyze/encode an interactive work.

2. It allows for violations of nested hierarchy. Properly formatted XML files are trees; not all ideas or classifications in documents can be modeled by a tree.

3. It allows for maintenance of sources in a central location, and allows for only the most important (i.e. the extra data) to be kept in a database. A similar xml database would contain a great deal of redundancy.

4. Offsets into a text file are simple, and can even be used to handle changes between different versions by the utilization of references to stanzas or paragraphs.

]]> By: Hugh Cayless http://chnm2010.thatcamp.org/05/21/the-inadequacies-of-markup/#comment-284 Sat, 22 May 2010 01:27:08 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=544#comment-284 Hi Adam,

I really only care about what’s practical. The theoretical arguments are interesting but weighted down by ideology. Maybe it’s worth taking another look at where we are technically though.

]]> By: A. Soroka http://chnm2010.thatcamp.org/05/21/the-inadequacies-of-markup/#comment-283 Sat, 22 May 2010 01:09:25 +0000 http://thatcamp.org/?p=544#comment-283 Hugh–

Are you suggesting a practical discussion about how to overlay and weave commentaries and supercommentaries in an egalitarian fashion, presumably using markup tech? I’m not inclined to wade into any kind of debate over the “purity of the turf”, but I’d love to play with some ideas about how we could bum-rush the privileged position of the encoder of digital text.

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